@Mark Ransome, I really like Website Policies. I felt much more confident that I was presenting the proper terms of service, especially the custom feature on each issue. So intuitive.

On Website Policies, I upgraded to the Unlimited premium policies so I can re-run my policies, which I already have to do on two of my websites, since I just added a classifieds like environment. It's not advertised on their website, but it does exist in case you have to upgrade some of your policies since you have several websites.

Hei Tech Jedi.

Just to clear things about your concerns.
1, NO information, personal or other info that could identify a person is ever passed around.
2, the only "Marshalls" that could join your site ( but not have access to any admin or secure level ) would a be a trusted staff member (in my case for my site would be my security and youve spoken to Stephanie before).
3, there is no actual "linking" or "third party or cookies or data collecting" of sites in any way.


The process is this.
Site 1: would like to know if a particular person or business has been banned from site 2.

process 1:
Site 1 admin would send a request (onsite message, email or phone call) to admin of Site 2.

Site 2 admin would check their site for this person (via ip, email, name, location) then will reply to request (via onsite message, email, phone call) and give the result
(banned or good to allow).

If banned then give reason why.( crime, abuse, hate speech or something else.
The information doesn't need to be in any great detail, just a simple
member "Banned" for the reason of ???

Or Member "good to allow" No issues found.

This way, personal information is not being passed around.

This process keeps your site secure and integrity intact and lawful.




I do understand your concerns very much because we have talked about the abuse you have received in the past.

What this is , is a group of sites co-operating together to protect the welfare of our sites, our members and wider community from online abuse and crime. creating a safer and more secure social media community.



Mikel.

Hei.



Just info about personal information.

In the UK, we have a government agency called the ICO (Information commissioners office).



As a legal requirement, we have to register our sites if:
1 we collect names
2, email addresses
3, contact details
4, images of people
5, contact and address details

We are not (by Law allowed to share this data) unless it is shown to be for security, public safety, law enforcement.



Now we have another government agency called ofcom (Office for communications)
Ofcom is the government regulator of all thing communication and media including social media sites / clubs of any site or membership count.

By law we have to register our sites with ofcom if we
1, are a media site (Social network or however described)
2, show / host videos
3, what ever the new requirements will be as they are set in law.

4, when the new law comes in to affect, all site will by law have to collect proof of ID and personal addresses of all members.



This is why, my site now, all members have to provide proof of ID and give their names and addresses.



Over the past couple of years laws in the uk and other countries are changing. we cant get away from this process. We iether register and be regulated by government and law or shut our sites down. Failure to comply or choosing not to comply is not an option.



Many people think that this is just for the sites benefit and if people are stuck in the idea of conspiracy and other things but faill to think of all the benefits.
Example: so fare our site has helped to locate a runaway child and missing person.
How, by checking their membership and seeing where they last logged in with IP location. The police where able to go to that location and find them safe and sound.

So you can see, there is great potential for our sites to see and think beyond the negative and conspiracy and see a better future. a future that is evolving all the time, we can choose to work with or shut down or try and stop the sun from rising each morning.



mikel.

Still, Site 2 asks Site 1 if member (email, ip, name) is a member of Site 1 and now Site 1 has member details from Site 2. Member A didn't sign up on Site 1 and now Site 1 has her info. It's the same concept. With a static IP, you can trace someone to their home. Let's say she's a woman who is hiding from an abusive husband/bf. Said husband/bf has been looking for her. She joins Site 2 but not Site 1 . As coincidence has it, husband is an admin or even owns Site 1. You have now given the location of the abused wife to the abuser. Bang! She's dead. You had no idea that someone you trusted on Site 1 was an abuser.

It's just dangerous. That's all I mean. Yes, there's potential but both good and bad.

@Techi Jedi, a terrifying example, but a good example. That's why I'm of the mind of protecting member privacy and aka-usernames are just as private.


Here's a true story as an example- There's a website that I left about eight months ago (had been a member since 2012) after I found out what terrible trash talk was being taken from this one website to another depraved website. This other trash website was exposing members from the website I had been a member of since 2012 by splattering member info all over this disgusting website, including members private messages and screen shots of discussions. I was appalled. I did go all detective and I don't want to dish out what I did, how I did it and what I found out, but if you put it online, it can be traced back to you. Needless to say, I haven't been back and won't go back to this website that I had been a member of for a long time and my fear is this trashing members goes all the way into the admin's. So no, to sharing unless it's a lawful request and even then, I'd have to have some heavy duty documents as proof of who is requesting the information.


Not meaning to sound harsh as I respect this discussion and the professionalism.


With that said, I'd also like to suggest, the value of these discussions relating to webmasters and web developers might do well to be taken to Tech's Realm (for webmasters and web developers) which is well suited and designed for these type of discussions. If you are not a member of Tech's yet, please feel free to sign up. I'm still adding content as it's still new, but all welcome.



Tech's Realm

https://techsrealm.com/members/

Hei Folks

Just to put an end to this discussion as the principle idea of the function of the system is getting lost in( what ifs) and ( sharing of personal information).

So just before we close this discussion i would like to clarify the points.

1, NO personal information is being passed to other sites.
2, the only reply to a request is " banned, for the reason of ?" or "good to allow, no issues found"
3, there are no links or third party access

4 for me to request a member check, i would already have the members IP, Name, Email,, so asking your site for it will be pointless.
5, this is for checking that a criminal, abuser is not doing the same thing on other sites. so we can put a stop to this type of behavior. Which already in law, is our legal responsibility also to protect our members and the wider community from this person or group or company.



Also on the basis of information sharing.
How many of us have (for example),
Home insurance, car insurance, drivers license, passport, medical insurance, pet insurance. facebook, whatsapp, twitter, insta, ebay, paypal, amazon and other well known sites ?
All these share information with each other or other companies they own to protect other members and the company from crime and abuse.
Any employee of these companies (honest or not honest) can get personal information about anyone should they request such information on the pretense of claims enquiry or other reasons from another company.



So, in reality, all of your personal information is already being passed around.
This being said, are you then going to cancel your insurance, car, medical, passport on the basis of (what if)



I fully understand your concerns about this and fully agree with you, these are important concerns to think about and discuss.

But if we allow ourselves only to focus on a negative (a good honest negative) then we lose site of all the positives that we could do.



Please have a say on this and then we can close this discussion.



Mikel.